The perfect final state and how we get there
Opinion from the Internet about our perfect existence:
We seem to are, that humankind is disassociated from Universal consciousness. My understanding of disassociation is thinking and specifically divisive thinking. So if the problem for human beings is thinking / feeling separate from the indivisible whole, then disassociation cannot be prevented by thinking / thoughts, no matter how noble
Thinking is divisive, and only Jiddu Krishnamurthy as far as I am aware addressed this, although stating at the end of his long life that no one understood him. He never used the word I because of you, and railed against governments, Gurus, religions, institutions, groups, etc simply because of division, inclusive / exclusive
So when we use terms such as we they, us them, him her, or any form of language that creates two (division) is the problem, not a solution. I’ll repeat, in many decades of satsang very very few see division, because of disassociation.
Human beings are in existential crisis because of division, and division is caused by thinking. In your first couple of sentences you have already divided by THINKING that specially educated (my words) agenda driven (my words) teachers can convey their wisdom to the unwise who will accept it.
To be clear, I am not critiquing your idea, I am TRYING to explain that thought out or thought through ideas CANNOT prevent disassociation from the whole, because they come from thinking, the source of disassociation.
You have again have included time, the teachers who will (IN TIME) educate the ignorant to live within natures laws, for a sustainable outcome sounds wonderful, but when you place it in time, it is not real, it is an idea thought up by very very smart people who do not realise the nature of division.
What is real? Now is real, it is eternally now, and as soon as the past is revisited (memory) or the future projected (imagination) we are in the realm of thought.
I recall an early teacher saying, whatever ideas you have come to satsang with, and I mean all of them, let go of them, and start with a clean slate.
I think we are much closer to each other than it seems.
You are describing a perfect state, where we all exist in a single unity, in a single, conscious desire, in that Universal Consciousness.
I am describing how we can get to that perfect state from the imperfect state we are born into.
And the reason we are born into the imperfect, separated, fragmented, individualistic state is to give us the opportunity to return to the perfect, single consciousness.
Then we will know exactly where we are and why we are there, dissolved into that single consciousness, still, being aware of being dissolved.
I agree with you that our individual thinking, personal consciousness contributes to our separation, but I wouldn’t discard “thinking” completely. After all the single, Universal Consciousness also denotes thinking, only through a collective mind. Otherwise how would we be conscious of that state?
I understand that the perfect state is above time, space, motion. But in our present state we live in a “simulation” that is built on time, space, motion. So this is where we start, we can’t just jump into perfection at once without preparation, gradual process.
Thus the method which helps us in the transition has to be realistic, based on, start from the condition we all feel ourselves in by birth.
The teachers who pass on the method don’t “teach intellectual wisdom”, thinking. It is the opposite they urge the students to rise above their present, actual intellect and the tools given are in order to attain new sensations, inner, emotional changes from which a new, more refined, adjusted mind is born, which we then overcome again at each step, degree.
This is how we gradually transition from the original, completely fragmented, egocentric, subjective viewpoint, thinking to a final, completely selfless, collective, altruistic viewpoint, thinking.
We have a parallel in science today, how modern physics tries to understand, comprehend, feel a quantum reality (unbounded by time, space, motion) from the present Newtonian system, with the original egocentric, subjective intellect. It is of course I impossible, we can only muse, philosophize about quantum physics, the quantum reality until we start to change the observer, so we ourselves become like the waveforms that can exist in a quantum system unbounded by time, space, motion.
But again, we need a step by step, gradual transition and the method which can connect the “two realities”, providing us with the steps to go from one extreme to the other.