Continuing discussion about our true, perfect state and how we can perceive it…
Opinion from the Internet about perfect reality and how we can sense it:
You wrote earlier: “What I do not understand from your writing is how people will get from today’s actual state to the desired perfect state?”
We already have the perfect state. Nature of which human kind belongs is always perfect, has always been perfect, and cannot be otherwise, no matter what unfolds, it remains perfect.
I used to sing / chant Om Poornamadah, Poornamidam in satsang. The mantra translates as
This is perfect that is perfect
Take the perfect from the perfect
All that remains is perfect
This with the same teacher that speaks of a shift in consciousness, which even has a name Parivarthan.
So we come back to thinking and feeling which is the issue, if we accept that nature is perfect.
Buddhists may tell you that the perfect state (pure awareness) is the gap between thoughts, but who can stay in that gap for more than two or three seconds?, So it seems almost no one can prevent thought, welcome and unwelcome, but divisive thinking can be seen and seen through. The obvious divisive thinking is blame, judgement, comparison and projection, and many teachers don’t take their students beyond seeing these and seeing through them.
Seeing through is like the coating of dust on a glass window, you can look at the dust or the light beyond, Grace plays a role, (I don’t know why this is) but the penny drops, and I’m not saying the judgements stop, but they are seen, where before they were not. It is not difficult to see division in blame ie I blame you or judgement etc but ‘K’ saw it in general thinking, and always addressed himself as the speaker and never I.
Another concept has evolved, which is we are, we behave as ALTERS as in multiple personality disorder, completely disassociated from the other identities (alters) even emanating from the same psyche (body) or universal consciousness. This is called meta physical idealism, and it’s proponent Dr Bernardo Kastrup does not offer a solution but merely states that this is how he sees it. You may not agree but if it is this way, then??????????
I still feel that we are talking about the same thing.
I had the same experience when I visited India a few times talking to people who are still connected to original Hinduism either in a “studious” way or as gurus. We were astonished to learn how much their original concepts, writings and what Kabbalah (the scientific method I am studying) speaks about the same, single, perfect system we need to come to attain, feel in a realistic, tangible way.
The graphic, emotional picture you gave in describing looking through a dusty glass window, going through a sort of a cloud, making a separation between the instinctive judgement, selfish thoughts perception and a new, selfless, objective, perfect perception is easy to connect to, and it is basically the same what Kabbalah teaches.
So basically we are both speaking, writing about a change, upgrade in the perception of reality, coming from an instinctively egocentric, subjective perception - which shows us a dark, broken, crisis-filled world - towards tangibly sensing a perfect, objective, true and selfless, single, all-encompassing reality.
I think the only difference is in the approach, practical method of achieving this, but the final aim, goal, and the starting point is all the same.
Kabbalah offers a very practical method.
We can escape the original, egocentric, subjective and thus distorted, fragmented, false perception by learning to view, sense, perceive reality through the desires, viewpoints of others, until from many different angles a perfect, single, “holographic” perception is built, that gives us a sense of infinite, eternal reality above the egocentric, subjective bias of time, space, motion.